[everyone] Third Night
The day passes slowly, and you sleep fitfully, as you anxiously await the next arrest. You are jarred awake by a terrible cacaphony of sirens, and peek out of your tent to see parzanese standing outside of his RV. He gives off the impression that he's almost EXPECTING to get arrested.

Sure enough, the LEOs roll in, jump out of their vehicles, spin him around, and push him up against the side of the RV.

"Wait! I can explain!", he yells, but his complaints fall on deaf ears.

Jeeves comes out of the RV, and is apprehended as well. The duck makes loud quacking noises and disappears in a ball of confusion and flying white feathers, too small and too fast to be caught.

"Umm, sir?" says Jeeves as he is pushed into a patrol car.

"You idiots! I've been working on this bust for weeks!" exclaims parzanese.

"You're a cop? Right... And I'm the Queen of the May.", says the arresting officer, as he unceremoniously shoves parzanese into the patrol car. Another officer can be seen wrapping the RV in yellow "crime scene" tape.

Nearly an hour passes, and Jeeves returns, cuts the yellow tape, and climbs into the RV. The engine starts, and Jeeves drives off into the setting sun.

As the sky darkens, Danger Ranger appears. "Holy shit," he says, "Did they ever fuck that one up! Good work kids, we've almost got 'em all now."

SUMMARY: parzanese the NARC has been mistakenly arrested. His cover is blown. Lynching discussion begins here. Don't forget the official vote tally is at http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/lj_games

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	kraydon 2005-09-21 09:11 pm UTC (link)
	Hot damn. And I was ready to give parzanese full clear because he was the first one to jump all over airor. Do the NARCs not have any telephathy with each other at all?! I mean, they don't know who they are either? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	raversofbrc 2005-09-21 09:14 pm UTC (link)
	The NARCs know who the other NARCs are. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - kraydon, 2005-09-21 09:15 pm UTC

(no subject) - princeofwands, 2005-09-21 09:20 pm UTC

(no subject) - ilovetequila, 2005-09-21 10:16 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:40 pm UTC

(no subject) - ilovetequila, 2005-09-21 11:10 pm UTC

(no subject) - ilovetequila, 2005-09-21 11:13 pm UTC

(no subject) - ilovetequila, 2005-09-21 11:16 pm UTC

(no subject) - raversofbrc, 2005-09-21 10:50 pm UTC

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 09:45 pm UTC

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	Okay - I'll start the discussion... what the hell does that mean... How did the NARCS gang up and arrest parzanese, as a NARC? Or can we interpret this as a "no-kill" by the NARCS, but a poising by the CHEMIST. /me wanders off to re-re-read all of the character descriptions and special properties. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	amphitrite27 2005-09-21 09:16 pm UTC (link)
	i think it was the chemist..... (Reply to this) (Parent)

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 09:23 pm UTC

(no subject) - raversofbrc, 2005-09-21 09:28 pm UTC

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 09:53 pm UTC

	amphitrite27 2005-09-21 09:16 pm UTC (link)
	so this is a crazy game so far. the K9 and two NARCs are gone. Leaving one original NARC and the SNITCH who was probably turned last night. right? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	and remember that just because parzanese was a NARC doesn't mean that the NINJA's claim entry actually was about him and there's no way to know. joelzero and ilovetequila claim to be plain old RAVERS with no possibility of proof. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 09:20 pm UTC

(no subject) - kraydon, 2005-09-21 09:24 pm UTC

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 09:48 pm UTC

(no subject) - ilovetequila, 2005-09-21 10:11 pm UTC

joelzero 2005-09-21 09:43 pm UTC (link)

Reviewing the facts of last day: One Narc got offed by sunset. There was only two Narcs remaining at the beginning of the day. Therefore: It could've only been the super-potion of the Chemist that wound up getting parzanese busted. Therefore: The Narcs didn't directly arrest anyone last day. They found the Snitch OR they couldn't decide who to bust. I think that them not compromising on someone to bust is bloody unlikely, although possibly due to the obvious Narc infighting going on. I think it's much more likely that one of us has turned Snitch. Which means, two more Narcs to go. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ilovetequila 2005-09-21 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	But it just doesn't make sense. A hit by the chemist should not be the same as an arrest just like a poisoning by a witch is not the same as a werewolf attack. We should be able to see the difference. I'm not seeing any possible way for these events to have transpired. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 10:39 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:23 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:25 pm UTC

	joelzero 2005-09-21 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	I think we've found the noisy Narcs. I think one of the remaining Narcs is a quiet one. ilovetequila's gut instinct resonated with me. I vote hungryandhollow due to uncharacteristically mild posting. (Reply to this) (Thread)

amphitrite27 2005-09-21 10:16 pm UTC (link)

also last night he said "right now it looks like a battle between the [info]airor and Paraneze camps. But frankly, in the 1 game I've played with each of them, they were extremely strong villagers (sorry, "ravers") and I'm not voting for either of them without some damn good evidence. so i've picked someone at random. vote [info]perkyevil ." so he may be trying to avoid voting for any NARC vote hungryandhollow (Reply to this) (Parent)

(no subject) - hungryandhollow, 2005-09-21 10:19 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:22 pm UTC

(no subject) - hungryandhollow, 2005-09-21 10:31 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 11:24 pm UTC

(no subject) - flipperchaz, 2005-09-22 01:21 am UTC

(no subject) - ilovetequila, 2005-09-21 10:20 pm UTC

amphitrite27 2005-09-21 09:55 pm UTC (link)

the third, and most unlikely option of what transpired is that parzanese was the SNITCH, and was targeted by the NARCS, turning him into a NARC. The chemist, could then have poisoned him. wait, i don't know if thats true...(wouldn't the chemist have seen that he was targeted by the NARCS and then not have poisoned him?) the chemist could also have drugged parzanese and "saved" someone, which would only leave us with one NARC, if the chemist used both potions. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	CHEMIST can't use both potions in the same night. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:30 pm UTC

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 10:27 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:31 pm UTC

amphitrite27 2005-09-21 10:11 pm UTC (link)

The post numbers are : Night 1 airor made 6 posts - NARC amphitrite27 made 2 posts - I know I'm quiet, but RAVER evilben made 4 posts - gone flipperchaz made 2 posts - low, NARC, busy? fu_urns made 6 posts - unknown girlpurple made 3 posts - low, NARC, busy? gpeefalt made 3 posts - low, but low when guilty as well hungryandhollow made 5 posts - low, NARC? ilovetequila made 10 posts - high, but does posting change when bad? a lot of chat not much on game joelzero made 24 posts - see ilovetequila kraydon made 17 posts - midrange, i didn't notice major change parzanese made 36 posts - Naughty NARC pergatorigirl made 3 posts - low, NARC? perkyevil made 1 post - very low, NARC? princeofwands made 20 posts - ? the1mouse made 31 posts - K9 vrelis made 2 posts - low, busy, NARC? Night 2 airor made 5 posts - NARC amphitrite27 made 2 posts - Raver flipperchaz made 2 posts - very low girlpurple made 4 posts - low gpeefalt made 1 post - low hungryandhollow made 4 posts - low ilovetequila made 13 posts - middle, but how useful? joelzero made 10 posts - middle, somewhat on topic kraydon made 4 posts - low parzanese made 45 posts - high, NARC perkyevil made 2 posts - low princeofwands made 12 posts - fu_urns 0 posts - suspicious vrelis 0 posts - suspicious (Reply to this) (Thread)

	fu_urns 2005-09-22 11:35 am UTC (link)
	i've been traveling for work. Which shold make me suspicious, I suppose, considering it's burning man and all. But so it goes. (Reply to this) (Parent)

princeofwands 2005-09-21 10:25 pm UTC (link)

Things we know. We have removed from play the following roles: (evilben) The GLOWSTICK NINJA (the1mouse) The K9 UNIT (airor) First (of three original) NARC(s) (parzanese) -- seemingly the Second (of three original) NARC(s) The DOSE FAIRY (me) could not affect the outcome of that round. The HIGH SCHOOL CHUMS (2) could not affect the outocme of that round. The FRAT BOY could not affect the outcome of that round. [Also, the FRAT BOY has not been entirely deactivated and for the rest of the game can be considered just another of the original RAVERS - as there are not remaining NINJA claims to wrongly see him.] The RAVERS (all 5 still with us! We should call them 6 from now on.) could not affect the outcome of that round. I imagine that since only one person was taken out that the DRAMA QUEEN was not activated, but somehow survived while taking out their target. Anybody else think this is possible? (NARCS pick DRAMA QUEEN, DRAMA QUEEN was pointed at parzanese (who turned out to be a NARC), CHEMIST saves DRAMA QUEEN, parzanese gets busted anyway.) Leaving us with significant players "yesterday": 2 Original NARCS CHEMIST SNITCH NARCS attack parzanese (parzanese is not an original NARC) Chemist is told that parzanese is attacked - Chemist Defends - how did parzanese get killed then? - not possible. - Chemist ignores - parzanese dies - how did he read as a NARC? not possible. - Chemist attacks - why would they do that? That makes No sense at all!! NARCS attack !parzanese - Chemist Defends - how was parzanese involved in this. Chemist can't save and kill in same round. - Chemist ignores - how did parzanese die? Not possible. - Chemist Attacks - parzanese, NARCS target is now turned. Yup - that seems the only sane interpretation; that the SNITCH was targeted by the NARCS and has been activated and then the CHEMIST had it out for and nuked parzanese. Wonder who the chemist is to have had that grudge, or was it who the NARCS targeted that set them off? Sadly, I'm reluctant to accept this interpretation because the SUMMARY text above doesn't match with my expectations based on the the roles descriptions. Other theories: 1) The NARCS pick up the DRAMA QUEEN. The DRAMA QUEEN fingers parzanese, but the CHEMIST (saving) potions the DRAMA QUEEN? Should be applicable since the DRAMA QUEEN wasn't actually "killed" and shouln't have been triggered. 2) The NARCS pick up parzanese who is the SNITCH. The CHEMIST is informed, and chooses to doubly blow him up. Thus activation and then removing the SNITCH in one fell swoop. Why would the CHEMIST extra double attack the NARCS target? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 10:30 pm UTC (link)
	quoting myself The FRAT BOY has been entirely deactivated. Sorry for the type-o. (Reply to this) (Parent)

(no subject) - princeofwands, 2005-09-21 10:32 pm UTC

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 10:33 pm UTC

(no subject) - princeofwands, 2005-09-21 10:38 pm UTC

(no subject) - joelzero, 2005-09-21 10:46 pm UTC

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 10:58 pm UTC

	requesting clarification from the gm princeofwands 2005-09-21 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	1) In this setting is a player being removed from the game via CHEMIST potion indistinguishable from a NARC pick-up? 2) In this setting, is it possible for the DRAMA QUEEN to be activated (killed) take out their target, and then be saved - thus resulting only in the removal of the DRAMA QUEEN's target but not the DRAMA QUEEN? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: requesting clarification from the gm joelzero 2005-09-21 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	2) As a moderator, I would rule the Drama Queen isn't dead in this case, and therefore gets no retalitory strike. I'm not sure what the rules are here. (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: requesting clarification from the gm - raversofbrc, 2005-09-21 10:57 pm UTC

	amphitrite27 2005-09-21 10:57 pm UTC (link)
	parzanese was straight up arrested not drugged, just arrested so, there is no snitch (the two NARCS taregted parzanese?), there was no "save" (Reply to this) (Thread)

	perkyevil 2005-09-21 11:05 pm UTC (link)
	But wouldn't he have had half of the votes?! Why would he ever vote for himself? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - amphitrite27, 2005-09-21 11:22 pm UTC

princeofwands 2005-09-21 11:19 pm UTC (link)

The Man has raised his hands and spoken. parzanese did not die at the hands of the CHEMIST or the DRAMA QUEEN, and game text will uniquely indentify those endings in other cases. So then, what's the explaination that makes any sense? There's no MARTYR in this game. Have we mis-interpreted a sly and subtle role definition that permits some false report? Was there a second kill attempt the first day that the CHEMIST saved? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	joelzero 2005-09-22 03:07 pm UTC (link)
	A second "kill" attempt is not possible unless it is the Chemist or Drama Queen. We know the kill-trip potion hasn't been used, nor has the Drama Queen been busted. There has been no second "kill". (Reply to this) (Parent)

ilovetequila 2005-09-21 11:24 pm UTC (link)

Alright! SO I believe we now know: * The snitch did not turn (there would have been no arrests). * The chemist did not dose anyone (there would be someone out due to being dosed!) * The drama queen did not take anyone out (this only happens if the drama queen is herself actually taken out - if she's saved, no one goes out). Therefore * Parzanese was a narc the whole time. * There is now one narc left in the game, and one snitch who could turn if the narc tries to arrest him. * Parzanese was arrested by himself and his fellow snitch. I believe Parzanese was counting on being saved by the witch. To give us airor and then be targetted (but saved) would make him appear awfully trustworthy. But the witch did not play into his plan. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	Nice! A reasonable explaination for how parzanese attacked himself as an original NARC. I like it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	Also interesting, our two known NARCS (airor and parzanese) voted so far only for each other, evilben(NINJA, killed), and the1mouse(K9UNIT(killed)). No evidence from their deaths of candidate fellow NARCS or likely safe RAVERS. Damn. Even in death. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ilovetequila 2005-09-21 11:43 pm UTC (link)
	Damn. On the positive side, the narcs have damn near cleaned themselves out! If we do nothing at all, maybe the last narc will kill himself. ;-) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	princeofwands 2005-09-21 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	If there's only one NARC left, then the HIGH SCHOOL CHUMS can identify each other - but I wouldn't do it until one of you started getting dogpiled on. (Reply to this)

	*whimper* girlpurple 2005-09-22 12:05 am UTC (link)
	Are we sure the DOSE FAIRY didn't just hit the communal water supply? :-) Makes my head hurt... gonna go hang out in the shade structure and pet joelzero's fuzzy pink and green robe. Slow Down! (Reply to this)

	pergatorigirl 2005-09-22 12:05 am UTC (link)
	I'm going home sick *sniffle sniffle* Sorry I can' stay guys. I'll be gone for a few days and won't be able to play. Luck to all. ::walks off into the desert sunset:: (Reply to this)

	princeofwands 2005-09-22 12:12 am UTC (link)
	Crap on a stick. Last night we saw no votes or abstains from three players: gpeefalt, pergatorigirl, and doctor_samuel. pergatorigirl just posted calling in sick and walking off into the desert to go home. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	amphitrite27 2005-09-22 12:13 am UTC (link)
	and fu_urns, right (Reply to this) (Parent)

princeofwands 2005-09-22 12:40 am UTC (link)

A recommendation for the rest of the game, right now (still counting pergatorigirl), we have eliminated 4 of 17 players. The lone remaining NARC knows their own identity. There are 7 players who think they're ordinary villagers. One of them is a SNITCH. I imagine for the rest of the game that the lone NARC will be trying to find their SNITCH. Right now, they've got 1/11 to hunt for. If we fully reduce the number (outing all the specials) it falls to 1/6. And the DRAMA QUEEN can still be used against us anyway. But by just blind random chance their 1/11 or 1/6 is still better than our collective 1/12 or 1/5 and the gap grows as our numbers dwindle. So - we've got to find a way to (while not outing ourselves) hunt down the NARC from among the seven "plain" RAVERS, from the 11 people left that aren't me. Sadly, those of you that've made claims to be plain RAVERS are the targets for both sides now. more later. and sadly, the Adam's rockin' game interface page has been down for a while now, so reading back up into the comments threads here is gonna be a pain. (Reply to this)

princeofwands 2005-09-22 02:19 am UTC (link)

Busy night tonight, so I'm not sure that I'll get back to getting into a more organized writing of my thoughts here, but this I think needs spelled out, so here goes. All special characters, DO NOT OUT YOURSELVES... let me explain. DRAMA QUEEN - if you out yourself you become a target for the NARC as they know you'll take someone down with you. Keep your drama bomb targeted at random villagers. If you think you've identified the CHUMs or the CHEMIST, go ahead and avoid them. If we have a highly likely second choice for lynching, you might choose them that night. LOVERS - same above - if you out yourself you become a target for the NARC going for the two-for-one kill. HIGH SCHOOL CHUMS - your anonymity protects the DRAMA QUEEN and the CHEMIST. CHEMIST - You are the key to identifying the activated SNITCH. Do not save anybody (including me, excluding yourself, you're no use to us dead). As long as you haven't saved anyone you get visibility into who the SNITCH is once activated. Very powerful. I'm not sure what to do yet once a SNITCH has been activated, not how to defend yourself should you be the target of a lynching. Any help here someone. MORE FROM ME ON THIS LATER IF I GET A CHANCE TO THINK WRITE OUT ALL THE REASONS. EVERYBODY - the three players left in the game that are of special value to the last NARC are the SNITCH (who will increase the number of NARCS), the CHEMIST (who can both identify the SNITCH once activated and kill at will in the day), and the DRAMA QUEEN who will has that two-for-one kill value. The LOVERS also fit that bill, but not knowing how they overlap (if at all) the other roles, they can really be ignored here. The last NARC at this point is likely to be optimizing for detecting these roles. That's it for my first pass. Think on it, comment on the holes I've left here or am blatently failing on. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	hungryandhollow 2005-09-22 04:48 am UTC (link)
	I agree about the chemist. Don't kill or save anyone but yourself - none of the rest of us are important at this point. When you see someone targeted and not killed, just kill them the next day. No need to even reveal yourself. (Reply to this) (Parent)

Rules Clarification - parzanese, 2005-09-22 03:55 pm UTC

Re: Rules Clarification - raversofbrc, 2005-09-22 04:18 pm UTC

Re: Rules Clarification - princeofwands, 2005-09-22 04:37 pm UTC

hungryandhollow 2005-09-22 04:57 am UTC (link)

Well, it's 4 votes for me and none for anyone else, so it looks bad for my chances. I'll just reiterate what i've said before - I've been having training sessions at work Monday-Wednesday, my classes are starting tomorrow, and my duties for the church council keep me very busy. Since this is Welcome Week for freshmen, I've spent many hours a day at church working on the welcome activities we do, which eats up my free time after work. As for my defense of airor and paraneze, that was just logic. Two of our strongest players, with no concrete evidence against either - it didn't make any sense, although i know in retrospect it looks bad. On the other hand, it won't bother me overmuch if you lynch me (or whatever we do here in BRC :P). I haven't had the time to get into this game like I have in the past, and it looks like we'll win soon anyway - i don't see how the NARCs could come back from such a blow. But there's always a chance, so please, don't lynch me. I give you my word i'm just a raver. Oh, and since i'll probably die anyway, here's my shameful secret - i hate raves <3 (Reply to this)

princeofwands abstains princeofwands 2005-09-22 02:34 pm UTC (link)

With no good evidence, a dogpile already on hungryandhollow, four players that outright skipped the last vote, and appointments from 0830-0930 and 1030-1130 with an hour commute between then, I might not get a chance to do anything more than passingly scan new comments. vote abstain If my vote is looking like a tiebreaker / decision maker, please reply to this comment and the email notification with this subject will get my attention and I'll see what I can do. Otherwise, good luck RAVERS! (Reply to this)

	kraydon 2005-09-22 03:42 pm UTC (link)
	Vote hungryandhollow (Reply to this)

	perkyevil 2005-09-22 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Vote amphitrite27 I don't think that paranzanese would have put his fellow Narc in the "most suspicious" category. (Reply to this) (Thread)

amphitrite27 2005-09-22 04:45 pm UTC (link)

I know that there is very little I can say, except that I've been talking a lot of strategy, and that I am in fact NOT THE NARC it isn't that foolish to ostracize one villager, since we are so far ahead, but I think there is absolutely no proof of my guilt. And I think that there are far more suspcious characters than I. Also, parzanese voted to arrest himself, why do you think he would have put the last remaining NARC in any category? he's obviously playing a more agggressive, chancy game than we gave him credit for. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	girlpurple 2005-09-22 05:08 pm UTC (link)
	vote hungryandhollow Ooh, looky!! It's that bandwagon artcar again! SHINY! (Reply to this)

	gpeefalt 2005-09-22 05:14 pm UTC (link)
	I must apologize for my lack of posting. I have been on joory doody for the last two days. Apparently, Ravers tend to get excused. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	gpeefalt 2005-09-22 05:17 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yeah... vote hungryandhollow I like wandbagons. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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